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Skyrim Special Edition CTD problems.

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I posted this over at the Nexus forums but, I thought this might be a good place to get more info, so, here it my issue:

 

I have been modding LE for 3-4 years.  I consider myself a competent moder.  Of course, there where mature tools to fix LE by the time I started modding.  I have to say that I am disappointing with the stability of SE!  Or, am I doing something totally  wrong?

My current load order won't allow me to play more than about 10th level before I start CTD'ing to a point where it is unplayable.  Before that level, totally stable!  And there isn't a place, or point, other than my level, where the failure starts.  I can't attribute the failure to any one mod, because it's so random.  Once I reach 10th level, I know the time I have to play is limited.  Soon there will be a crash.

So, I cracked open my load and started looking for conflicts that would cause my CTD.  Currently, I have been trying to play Outlaws and Revolutionaries.   Looks like a great mod.  At first, I would get CTD's when I entered Coldwater Cave.  (I was at 10th level...)  So, I started a new game, went straight to the cave.  No problem.  Went into the cave.  I thought, great, I'll start a new game with this load as my play through.  Completed a few quests, leveled up to get some descent armor and headed to Coldwater cave.  Made to the cage where the main quest releases a prisoner and bang.  CTD!  10th level, CTD I can't get past.  Reloads, trying different way's to get around it all unsuccessful.  Dead play through again.

In Tes5edit, that area had absolutely no conflicts.  Nothing touched that area except Outlaws.

 

I have SSE fixes loaded, a Cobj smash patch, Bash patch (Tried the separate and together), and even once tried a comparability patch through Tes5Edit. (To the best of my ability)  Nothing seem to help.  Lastly, went through and removed form 44 everywhere I could find it.

 

 If anyone can give me an idea where to start looking.  I would appreciate it.

Load order:

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# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
RaceCompatibility.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
FISS.esp
BSAssets.esm
BSHeartland.esm
Falskaar.esm
Gray Fox Cowl.esm
DynDOLOD.esm
BS_DLC_patch.esp
ImCh.esm
Campfire.esm
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
daymoyl.esm
Colorful_Magic.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
Cutting Room Floor.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
widescreen_skyui_fix.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
iHUD.esp
SkyHUD.esp
SkyHUD - iHUD Patch.esp
CharacterMakingExtender.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
tpos_ultimate_esm.esp
TrueStormsSE.esp
Vivid WeathersSE.esp
Vivid Weathers SE - Classic.esp
RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
Whiterun Forest Borealis.esp
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp
Friendlier Taverns.esp
XPMSSE.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp
PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
FNIS.esp
UIExtensions.esp
AddItemMenuSE.esp
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
LSFX-SSE-Audiosettings.esp
Skysan_Icicle.esp
SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp
iWil_UselessShopOverhaul.esp
TTR_Skill_Overhaul.esp
Skyrim Revamped - Complete Enemy Overhaul.esp
JoP - Apachii DivineElegance Patch.esp
Prettier Bandits.esp
QaxeQuestorium.esp
BHTNFBP.esp
SexLab_DibellaCult.esp
Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp
Snowy AF Windhelm.esp
CRF - Lighting Overhaul.esp
ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp
MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp
SkyrimBounties.esp
NBsNPCApachiiHair.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
AR_Frea.esp
LazyHeels.esp
GetOverHereSpells.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
SmartCast_1_0.esp
Spells Emit Light - Bright.esp
DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp
GIST soul trap.esp
GIST-MLPSoulGems-patch.esp
MLPSoulGems.esp
SmartEquip.esp
PlayRandomIdle.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
DSAMG - Greybeard Fix.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
DustEffectsSSE.esp
MiniBikini.esp
LookCloser.esp
lm_astronach.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
SparklesSE.esp
Simple AUA.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
SexLab Warmbodies.esp
SexLabDangerousNights2.esp
Lock_Overhaul.esp
LingerieSetCBBE3_2ByNausicaa.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Men of Winter.esp
Men of Winter - Compatibility Patch.esp
Clockwork.esp
JKs Whiterun.esp
Joy of Perspective.esp
TERAArmorsSSE.esp
TeraArmorSSE Level List LOOT.esp
EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
Serana Dialogue Edit.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
DarkerNights-BeyondSkyrimBruma.esp
DarkerNights.esp
Vivid_TS_Patch_Surreal.esp
SoS_VividWeathers_Patch.esp
SoS_TrueStorms_Patch.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
dD-Medium Script Range.esp
dD-No Screen Blood.esp
ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
RidiculousCW.esp
VioLens SE.esp
More Clutter In Skyrim.esp
JK's Riverwood.esp
Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Concentrated Potions.esp
SLALAnimObj.esp
AsharaElvenKnight.esp
Adult Armor.esp
Shiva's Vanilla Clothing Replacer.esp
Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp
Tiwa44_Minidresses_CBBE.esp
Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn_CBBE.esp
Sweet Lolis.esp
VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp
fallentreebridges.esp
SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp
MiasLair.esp
Frostfall.esp
Frostfall_Seasonal_Temps_patch.esp
DoubleBedsAreForTwoPeople.esp
SexLab_Dialogues.esp
know_your_enemy.esp
kye_bruma_patch.esp
SRCEO - Know Your Enemy Patch.esp
kye_crf_patch.esp
Dolls.esp
Serio's Enhanced Dragons.esp
ERSO 03 - Soft Slighty Mighty Dragons.esp
Devious Cidhna.esp
Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp
Shezzarscairn.esp
Improved Adoptions.esp
SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp
Improved Adoptions Patch.esp
WetandCold.esp
Vivid_TSPatch_Wet&Cold_AddOn.esp
DBCO_ALL_IN_ONE.esp
Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp
R18pn - lingerie Set.esp
FNISspells.esp
DiverseWerewolvesCollection.esp
MoreWerewolves.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Cutting Room Floor Locations.esp
The Manipulator.esp
Animations.esp
CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
Race Scale Remover.esp
Killable Children Patch.esp
Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
Predator Vision.esp
Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp
Derrax_Male_Werewolf_AnimalPenis_SpecialEdition.esp
Dollls_Diabella Patch.esp
AnubAnimObj.esp
Footprints.esp
TeraArmorsSSE Enchantment Patch.esp
Viscous Foliage -Tweaks.esp
Backshields.esp
LazyCBP.esp
FacelightPlus.esp
Eyes of Aber.esp
Cherry's Eyes.esp
NQS_NamedQuicksave.esp
Armoured Skelemere.esp
LABikiniSSE.esp
LADX_SSE.esp
TeraArmorsSSE LOOT USSEP Patch.esp
EmbersHD.esp
JKs Whiterun exterior.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
haijin Adversary - The Midian -.esp
middenexpandedlitesse.esp
WCCO_All-In-One.esp
konahrik, the priest.esp
Gray Fox Cowl - Alternative Start.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
College Bridge Light Fix - Clean ITM and Remove Unnecessary Record.esp
Forge Water Fix - CRF Patch.esp
Cute Serana.esp
LightningPreset.esp
Lydia.esp
SilverKnightArmorLydia.esp
iLuvLoading.esp
DLCSpellsVanilla.esp
Dibella Blade, Dovah Luv and 11 JaySuS Swords.esp
bm_SimpleAction.esp
opmfgconsole.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
SkyrimBountiesKSHair.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
ImCh - ICAIO Full patch.esp
CH Bruma Patch.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
ELE_SSE.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
SoS_ELE_Patch.esp
RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp
tpos_allinone_patch_01.esp
RealisticWaterTwo+-+Verdant+Patch.esp
RWT - People of Skyrim Patch.esp
Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Alternate start Locations.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
DynDOLOD.esp

I would post my Papyrus log but, it is different every time I start getting CTD's.  It is absolutely unhelpful.

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1 hour ago, MyHouseATL said:

Lastly, went through and removed form 44 everywhere I could find it.

This is likely what's causing your issue, because form 44 is for SSE mods and I think the form 44 is also used for Fallout 4 mods.

I suggest that you reinstall those mods you removed the form 44 and never touch that again.

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From what he wrote I understand it as the OP moved over to SSE.

Anyways it that CTD location specific? You crash anywhere else or only at that location at level 10?

You might wanna make a reddit thread aswell.

 

 

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To re-iterate on what Leo said, any mods you use in Skyrim SE should be properly ported. That means esp's need to be Form 44. Any Form 43 esp's are going to make your game unstable, that's a fact. Basically you've done yourself a disservice by changing them.

Properly ported mods also entail conversion of assets, be it meshes/textures/animations. There's an entire thread here on this forum about proper conversions.


That could be one problem. To get back to the point where you mention this mod Outlaws and Revolutionaries. Have you tested a playthrough (clean start from the beginning) without that mod to see if you still start getting CTD's at level 10? That would at least narrow down the problem.

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Considering the fact that the crashes appear to be level-dependent, the first thing that comes to mind is a mod-added armor or weapon with a faulty mesh that is distributed through leveled lists and does not appear in the game below level 10.

It might be worth having a look at the leveled list sections of your armor and weapon mods (there shouldn't be too many as there are still only a few modders that go the way of properly integrating their items in the game) and check what they add at level 10.

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On 5/7/2018 at 2:08 PM, MyHouseATL said:

Lastly, went through and removed form 44 everywhere I could find it.

I sincerely hope you mean you removed form 43 mods and not that you went around changing things manually from 44 to 43, because if you did that, your game is toast.

Not to mention that a number of people have reported CTDs caused by using SSE Fixes rather than it helping resolve them. So you may have 2 things working against you now.

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Thanks everyone, I did pay special attention to mods I converted to make sure they are form 43.  However, I was doing a bash patch when I noticed several mods that came with other mods that still have form 44!  I will convert them and retest to see if that is the cause. I don't believe outlaws is the problem because I have played without it and had the same issue.

 

How would I go about finding what leveled list is added at level 10?  That is an interesting suggestion...

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Not sure you're understanding here. All mods used in SSE must be form 44 or you'll risk corrupting your saves over time, along with experiencing random weird errors that won't be easy to pin down.

Do not attempt to downgrade any of them to version 43 because that will wreck the plugins themselves: https://bethesda.net/community/post/492878 (SMKViper is a Bethesda developer)

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4 hours ago, MyHouseATL said:

I did pay special attention to mods I converted to make sure they are form 43.  However, I was doing a bash patch when I noticed several mods that came with other mods that still have form 44!  I will convert them and retest to see if that is the cause. I don't believe outlaws is the problem because I have played without it and had the same issue.

Why you're having the same issue with the outlaws, regardless what mods you are using, is exactly what Arthmoor and Hana said.

Any mod that has form 44 is what every SSE mods must have, otherwise you'll always have an issue regardless what you do.  Except for not removing form 44 from mods that has form 44 to begin with.

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On 5/9/2018 at 7:33 PM, Leonardo said:

Why you're having the same issue with the outlaws, regardless what mods you are using, is exactly what Arthmoor and Hana said.

Any mod that has form 44 is what every SSE mods must have, otherwise you'll always have an issue regardless what you do.  Except for not removing form 44 from mods that has form 44 to begin with.

Yes, I saw several posts about form 44.  I have been diligent in insuring mods I convert are moved to form 44.  What I didn't account for is other mod authors conversions.  (I meant to say 43...)  Thanks Arthmoor.  I think this is my problem.  When I get some time, I will convert mods I found not to be form 44 and re-test...

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